Man created God, God created morals. Therefore man created morals through God. The man who first thought of God as a way to create morality to control other people deserves a great deal of credit. Cheapest and most effective way to lead and control.
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New Watchtower Article: "Morals Without God?"
by cognisonance in...or rather what you wouldn't find in a watchtower .
morals without god (new york times article).
can we envision a world without god?
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BOE Letter: We want to suck three hours out of your life
by pixel into all congregations in the united states branch territory re: branch visit in november 2014 .
dear brothers: .
on february 11, 2014, the bethel family was excited to learn that a branch visit is sched- uled for the united states.
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Rebel 8,
Carl Sagan seemed to disagree with you regarding the GB skills
Doctrines that make no predictions are less compelling than those which make correct predictions; they are in turn more successful than doctrines that make false predictions.
But not always. One prominent American religion [Jehovah's Witnesses, of course] confidently predicted that the world would end in 1914. Well, 1914 has come and gone, and -- while the events of that year were certainly of some importance -- the world does not, at least so far as I can see, seem to have ended. There are at least three responses that an organized religion can make in the face of such a failed and fundamental prophecy. They could have said, "Oh, did we say '1914'? So sorry, we meant '2014.' A slight error in calculation. Hope you weren't inconvenienced in any way." But they did not. They could have said, "Well, the world would have ended, except we prayed very hard and interceded with God so He spared the Earth." But they did not. Instead, they did something much more ingenious.
They announced that the world had in fact ended in 1914, and if the rest of us hadn't noticed, that was our lookout. It is astonishing in the face of such transparent evasions that this religion has any adherents at all. But religions are tough. Either they make no contentions which are subject to disproof or they quickly redesign doctrine after disproof. The fact that religions can be so shamelessly dishonest, so contemptuous of the intelligence of their adherents, and still flourish does not speak very well for the tough-mindedness of the believers. But it does indicate, if a demonstration were needed, that near the core of the religious experience is something remarkably resistant to rational inquiry.
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Why I feel that worshiping "God" is a waste of time...
by CaptainSchmideo inhave you ever had a so-called friend who never seemed to be around when you really needed his active, participatory help, but was always good enough to show up after the fact, to lend you his "support" after the event?.
maybe he failed to show up when you needed to move furniture.
did he show up afterward, and praise you for the ability to get it done without his help?
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There's something awesome about life, the macrocosmos, the microcosmos, consciousness. There are lots of mysteries that we will uncover in the future, but many that we will not. What seems quite obvious though, God or no God, there's no divine force intervening in human affairs. And that's the way I like it.
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The future of the meetings?
by Kool Jo ini bumped into this website....really interesting:.
you however need a pw to access....if this was more popular, i could see khall attendance dropping, as we know, most people simple go just to appease others: .
http://www.livekingdomhall.com/.
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Well, have you considered that it is in the best interest of the leaders to reduce the use of Kingdom Halls. Since they are no longer needed, they can sell them for a profit, a big profit because someone else bought it and maintained it. This move may be the exit plan of thescmmers at the top. Sooner or later all pyramid scams have to end. "The time is at hand"
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Your Most DREADED Dub Word
by GetBusyLiving ini wanna hear the word that made you either physically nauseous or burst out in uncontrolable laughter.
please demonstrate it in a sentence as well.
mine was 'enthused' (my fingers were shaking as i typed).
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composite sign
the privilege to... clean toilets
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Israel ... Jehovah ... The Promised Land ... Genocide
by wannabefree inthis is a topic that i was always uncomfortable with, but, as a good indoctrinated jw got myself to accept the spin.
of course, now that i am out, when i speak with other "christian" friends, they make the same excuses.
god's ways are above our ways ... okay, sure ... but really???.
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Perry: "On the other hand if you accept the dictionary's definition of the word God, then likewise you cannot criticize God because you acknowledge his perfection, which would include his perfect judgments, and his perfect right to display his mercies and judgments according to his purposes, not yours"
What the dictionary has to say about God are not necessarily God's qualities. He never let us know HIS qualities. Ever since we moved into a scientific age, or at least tried to replace superstition by more natural and rational explanations to phenomena, GOD no longer performs miracles, or talk to humans. Why would that be? i am sure you can come with an explanation, Christians alway have an answer for everything, and they don't seem to care how contradictory those various answers are.
GOD's "qualities" are as inconsistent as the human minds which created him.
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I was a window washet...
by new hope and happiness inthete are a lot of derocatory comments sbout witnesses and cleaning windows.
as a former window cleaner i can say:-.
a. i started my self employment at 17.. b. i built the round with my own initiative.. c. i was soon making 4 times the average hourly wage.. d. i was afraid of heights, but as the round grew i employed 2 people.. e. it exspanded to gardening painting and decorating ect, ect,.
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Window washing is great as a source of income, like any other job, if you are dedicated and disciplined with your expenses. Plenty of manual laborers are great examples of "rags to riches". However, money alone may not provide the critical thinking skills to avoid being pulled into cults such as those of the JW's and mormons. Unfairly, maybe, but that is what's is implied when people refer to JW's as window washers, they are gullible. Likely, they ended up in a manual labor job because they couldn't, or didn't want to, or were not allowed to get higher education. This fact makes them easy prey of cult's leaders.
Bottom line: many cults with silly doctrines and beliefs attract manual laborers much more than they attract doctors or lawyers.
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RETIREMENT HOMES AND COMPANY BY AND FOR JEHOVAH WITNESSES???
by ADJUSTMENTS injust did some googling on jws and found some info i've never heard of before... this rabbit hole just gets deeper and deeper... links to retirement homes and company!!!
have any of you heard of this before?.
http://touch.mcall.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-79180330/.
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never a jw
Retirement homes for JW's is stupid. We are in the final days. What's the point?
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regarding blood
by never a jw inas a father of a baptized jw 17 year old girl i am concerned about her stand on blood.
so i decided to do some research.
i found the following in the elders' book "sheperd the flock of god" pages 110-112.
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eyeusetobadub
Funny way of suggesting something useful. If the moment ever comes, I will put so much pressure on my daughter and doctors that she will come out of the hospital with plenty of blood, alive and ready to be forgiven. If not forgiven, it's war against the evil organization.
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Moustaches vs. beards - one of the contributing factors to losing my cognitive dissonace
by Pacopoolio inas a little background - i was born-in to being a witness, back in '79, in detroit, in mostly black and poor congregations.
baptized when 10-ish, stayed around, was on the fast track to ms, but faded when i moved out at 24ish.. there was a combination of a few things that got me on the road to "freedom" from the cognitive dissonance that kept me "in the truth" for so long.
the main thing was, being an artist and studying marketing, my thinking was patterned to constantly question if i was doing something "correctly," as constant improvement and questioning is what facilitates artistic and mental growth.
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Facial hair is facial hair. The elder who gave me a study 20 years ago has the ugliest mustache I have ever seen. It looked like F. Nietzsche mustache but one third of the hair. Long, untrimmed, pointing in every direction hair. Funny thing is that certain JW sister kept giving hell to her non-JW brother for his well trimmed, cool, great loooking very thin beard. She called his beard "esa cochinada". Translation: "that dirty thing" except that in Spanish sounds even more intense. She said that she hoped one day he started a bible study so he would get rid of "esa cochinada"
Conclusion: for JW's an ugly untrimmed, disgusting mustache represents pure worship to Jehovah, while a well trimmed, good looking, thin, beard represents satanic worship. Ok, Ok a slight exageration, but the main point stands. JW's are uncapable or not free to use common sense even to judge what is an attractive use of facial hair.